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>> in an ideal world for what he views as the role in government and his second term in legacy building, i think he wanted a grand bargain -- >> i think he does, too, to he can move on to the progressive stuff he wants to do. >> second terms don't last four years. >> right, right. >> no second term in the modern era has lasted four years. >> i know. >> it ends somewhere before two years. >> then you move into foreign policy. >> very quickly, chuck is right. if they get the tax rate increase on the wealthy, they declare victory and move on. we can argue debate that -- >> you're both educating me tonight. it's about taxes. the president can win this one before christmas. thank you chuck todd and chris cillizza. >>> up next, the story no one is talking about at notre dame. some people are charging cover-up. this is going to be a hot one and not very pleasant for me. this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat t
>> in an ideal world for what he views as the role in government and his second term in legacy building, i think he wanted a grand bargain -- >> i think he does, too, to he can move on to the progressive stuff he wants to do. >> second terms don't last four years. >> right, right. >> no second term in the modern era has lasted four years. >> i know. >> it ends somewhere before two years. >> then you move into foreign policy. >> very quickly,...
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they are against taxes because they think it fuels government, and they're against government. they're against compromise, particularly against compromise with this particular president for a whole host of reasons. and we have the same dynamic we had back in 2011 when john boehner i think left to his own devices would cut a deal within five minutes with the president -- >> let's talk about -- we disagree about the importance of the cliff. i think it's damn serious business because who knows what the world is going to react -- >> the market is not going to like it. >> we don't know. forget the market. the world economy -- my question is would the republican party like to go over the cliff hanging onto that 2% of rich people and say that's why they did it? can they live with themselves if they do that? >> in some ways the politics for boehner becomes easier, i don't like calling it a cliff, after you go down the slope or whatever you want to call it. >> why? >> because if nothing happens between now and the end of the year, all the tax cuts, poof, they disappear. you come back th
they are against taxes because they think it fuels government, and they're against government. they're against compromise, particularly against compromise with this particular president for a whole host of reasons. and we have the same dynamic we had back in 2011 when john boehner i think left to his own devices would cut a deal within five minutes with the president -- >> let's talk about -- we disagree about the importance of the cliff. i think it's damn serious business because who...
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the democratic party is the government party and the governing party. if the republicans want to play british parliamentary politics and vote as a unit against anything good, that's a screw up. >> look at it from the president' point of view. he ran on this for the last two years and he's -- >> shove it down their throat before christmas. >> we have two problems. one, we look ungovernable. i'm with you on that, chris. we look we have a party that will not allow the president to assume the governing authority he earned with an election. on the other hand, i think the world markets would -- have priced in, we disagree on that -- we can get away with -- the deal will eventually get done. exactly. that's the exact point. i think the markets believe we will eventually do the deal. it's just whether we do it before or after january 3rd. >> when you pay your bills on time you're impressive, when you pay them late, you're not. anyway, thank you. >>> coming up, maybe grover is not over. there's a great phrase. for a couple weeks republicans could be seen saying
the democratic party is the government party and the governing party. if the republicans want to play british parliamentary politics and vote as a unit against anything good, that's a screw up. >> look at it from the president' point of view. he ran on this for the last two years and he's -- >> shove it down their throat before christmas. >> we have two problems. one, we look ungovernable. i'm with you on that, chris. we look we have a party that will not allow the president...
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at the core this is about asking americans to pay more americans to the federal government. this is just -- it's -- bill clinton called it kabuki theater. it's a way for republicans not to be ashamed and walk back the ideological core they've run on for the past few years. >> if president obama is able to come out and say i'm going to support getting rid of tax ducks for charitable organizations, hospitals, universities, religious organizations, i want to get rid of that tax deduction f he puts his finger -- his hand anywhere near that decision, he's going to be a loony toon every hospital, church, philanthropic in the united states, from the rockefeller down to the littlest catholic charity will fight that. they need those tax cuts to survive. it's a loony toon idea. i'm sorry. a little joke there. let me ask you this. let's take a look at president's last comment of the day. this is his response to gop's what i consider a face-saving proposal. here's the president. >> if congress in any way suggests they're going to tie votes to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink
at the core this is about asking americans to pay more americans to the federal government. this is just -- it's -- bill clinton called it kabuki theater. it's a way for republicans not to be ashamed and walk back the ideological core they've run on for the past few years. >> if president obama is able to come out and say i'm going to support getting rid of tax ducks for charitable organizations, hospitals, universities, religious organizations, i want to get rid of that tax deduction f...
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they had been working with the government there to do security. it wasn't an al qaeda -- >> they were armed with rpgs and attacked our facility. they were terrorists -- >> i think -- >> they were terrorists that day. >> a lot of terrorists aren't al qaeda. when she said at the beginning that the key thing here is to the security failure in benghazi, she's correct. that's not susan rice's responsibility. that's the state department -- >> i know. >> susan rice is being asked to defend all kinds of stuff that's really the responsibility of the state department and the cia to explain right now. it was mainly a cia operation. >>> this afternoon in a cabinet meeting president obama answered a question from a reporter the heat, i was calling it the fried rice, the headline in the new york post, the fried rice from republicans on the hill. take a look at the president's way of handling this today. >> mr. president, do you think it's being fair to susan rice. >> thanks, guys. susan rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job she's done at u.s. u.
they had been working with the government there to do security. it wasn't an al qaeda -- >> they were armed with rpgs and attacked our facility. they were terrorists -- >> i think -- >> they were terrorists that day. >> a lot of terrorists aren't al qaeda. when she said at the beginning that the key thing here is to the security failure in benghazi, she's correct. that's not susan rice's responsibility. that's the state department -- >> i know. >> susan rice...
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here's the question right now, govern governor. it seems that's a face saver because they say taxes deferred or delayed are taxes avoided. if they say we'll get to defending the rich later. we'll let their taxes go up in january. it seems that's a face-saver even if they say we'll get to it later. >> well, i think what happens, chris, though is think about the issue of leverage -- by the way, no oneç is thinking about what right for the country. let's think about the issue of political leverage. >> oh, you and i are. >> that's right. and alex, too. >> what about me? >> and alex. >> i said you too, alex. president obama has all the leverage because he knows if it goes over the fiscal cliff, tax cuts expires and he'll never let the top 2% get that tax cut reinstated. if they do what you suggested, vote the tax cut, continue it for the 98%, then the leverage switches to them come the time of the debt limit. they might be able to make a deal where they save some of it so it doesn't go up to 39%. maybe goes up to 37.5%. maybe they do
here's the question right now, govern governor. it seems that's a face saver because they say taxes deferred or delayed are taxes avoided. if they say we'll get to defending the rich later. we'll let their taxes go up in january. it seems that's a face-saver even if they say we'll get to it later. >> well, i think what happens, chris, though is think about the issue of leverage -- by the way, no oneç is thinking about what right for the country. let's think about the issue of political...